A Troll Becomes a Moonbat on Ol' BC  

Monday, June 13, 2005

Recently, Ol' BC posted a little ditty on the failure of the Canadian health care system that's been so touted by the left as the big example we should be following in trying to streamline and improve our own.

Of course, the old troll that used to haunt this blog, "Sir Loin of Beef" jumped in and tried to defend socialism. Now, much to our Bovine Buddy's credit, he mostly laid off the baseless and ignorant personal bullshit he was known for around here, and actually tried to make a point. If you read the thread, you will see, however, that he picked the wrong issue to defend socialism with - SOCIALIST SECURITY. He touted it as a successful socialist program. Wow.

I called him on it. Here is my fisk of his last post:

Any time people perceive taking care of the elderly and misfortunate as being "living off of someone" we fail as a society.

Wrong. Any time we create a class of people dependent on others for their well-being, we fail as a society. This has been proven time and time again. Even the pilgrims at Plymouth Colony experimented with socialism, and discovered it wasn't going to lead to their success as a society. They wisely ditched the idea in favor of something more free.
Let's face it, Rocker, we all live off of someone. We are all helped by others. You couldn't wipe your ass without giving up their time and energy to create toilet paper for you.

I live off of one person - ME. I am helped by others to the extent that I am able to appropriately reward them for their help. No one gave up any time or energy for me to wipe my ass without my paying them to do so. It's a fair exchange. They do something for me. I do something for them.
All I am saying is that in addition to his own money that he invested, my father, for one, will do nicely as a result of Social Security.

All I am saying is that he would do much better if the money he had paid to retirees during his lifetime were invested with the rest of his investment capital. run the numbers. You're lucky if you get 3 per cent on Socialist Security.
I find it ironic that the same person (you, Rocker) can fight in favor of letting a vegetable continue living while at the same time arguing in favor of letting the elderly and lesser fortunate people fend for themselves so that they won't be viewed as mooches.

First of all, I have not made any trips to the supermarket or any of the local farms trying to save the lives of any vegetables. The elderly are the most wealthy people among us. They are the best equipped to fend for themselves. And what the hell is wrong with having them fend for themselves? THAT IS WHAT AMERICA IS ALL ABOUT. It's exactly what the founders had in mind. The less fortunate need only work harder and/or smarter. Do you think I'm rich? HA! I am among those you consider "lesser fortunate", as a matter of fact.

The truth is that most of the "lesser fortuante" are that way because of the choices they made. I know that first-hand. I have the problems I have because of bad choices I made. It would be incredibly immoral of me to ask others to support me in this situation. Instead, I pay others - that's right I PAY them - to advise me as to the best course of action. With their good advice, I have hope, as does every person who is "lesser fortunate". Cut me a fucking break.
Sorry, but I would gladly give a little bit of my own money to see the elderly provided for.

No one is saying you can't, Beef. All we're saying is that it shouldn't be the nanny state doing the work. Instead, it should be YOU, either through financial support of an appropriate charity of YOUR choosing, or through directly helping out with a friend or family member.

If that is something that is important to you, great. I'm happy that you have a heart. The problem, Beef, is that such programs coming from the government discourage people from taking the initiative necessary to take care of themselves. The very reason we have so many "lesser fortunate" people is that so many people just let the government send them the mere pittance it sends through its programs. Take away the disincentive, and watch America flourish yet again. The true heart is the one that can properly utilize tough love.

Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll live forever.

THIS is what we should be doing, Beef. Not just taking money from some people just to give it to others. That is just plain wrong.


I didn't take the bait on the Terri Schiavo thing. Beef knows as well as anyone that the right to live is expressly stated in the Constitution, and that the words "Persistent Vegitative State" constitute a medical term that has nothing to do with vegetables, or people whose mental state resembles them. Sciavo was killed by the same culture of death that has killed millions, if not billions, of babies since the Supreme Court decided it was going to make its own laws instead of letting the Congress do its job.

But for once, Beef actually took a position on something other than just being against whatever any given blog says, and throwing hate-filled personal attacks at the commentators. Beef actually made reference to people he thought were being helped by Socialist Security. What he didn't seem to grasp was the idea that these people could easily fend for themselves, and do much better, if the government would just get out of the way (and out of their wallets).

Still, I think he deserves some credit for moving, however temporarily, from the ranks of the trolls to the belfries of the moonbats. It's a much more credible place to be.